I noticed that the Americans seem to get a lot more income than Canadians, so I did some digging.
Ruth and I will be 65 on our next birthdays, and that's the around the normal time that most people start collecting retirement benefits in Canada.
In Canada, we have two public retirement benefits... the Canada Pension Plan (CPP) and the Old Age Security (OAS). The CPP you have the option of taking as early as age 60, although at a reduced rate. Or you can take it as late as age 70 at a much higher rate. The OAS cannot be taken until 65, and as late as age 70, again at a higher rate. Or anywhere in between those ages.
(In order to compare apples to apples, the following figures are all in $CAD equivalent!)
The average Canadian retiree gets a total of $19,550 per year between the two benefits.
The average American gets $34,300 per year!
That's a huge 70% difference!
But there are a lot of variables, and so while those numbers look striking at first glance, a direct comparison is difficult.
The major distinction is health care. A Canadian retiree might still spend $500 a year on medical expenses in Canada while an American retiree might spend $6,500 a year.
Taking that into account, the American system still wins, as far as retirees are concerned. Especially if you are a healthy retiree.
And if you are a healthy American retiree, it totally makes sense to get the heck out to a cheaper country! It's a more difficult decision for Canadians because of that "free" health care carrot waved in front of you. Most Canadians are obsessed with that incentive to remain in Canada, at least long enough to continue to receive that benefit. All provinces are different, but most Canadians can maintain their healthcare benefits by staying within their province of residence for five to six months per year.
And as a couple, you can do really well! The average retired American couple gets the equivalent of $53,000 CAD per year in government benefits. Figure that 2026 is our most expensive year yet, and that's about what we'll spend. We think we lived a really good life on that amount of money this year.
Of course we also have to remember that taxes come into play, further complicating things.
Ruth and I are not yet receiving benefits, so we are currently living off savings. We've decided to wait another couple of years and take the guaranteed annual increase of 8% or so. Retirement planning is difficult when you don't know exactly how long you're going to live!
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Kevin, make sure you figure out your break even point of giving up several years worth of checks. It may take 10 plus years before. you recoup what. you gave up for a few hundred dollars per month.
ReplyDeleteYes, I've done all of the math, so we're well aware. Plus our son is an actuary, and he says that the vast majority of people will be further ahead to wait. I think in our case, we don't need the money right away, and it's taxable income. Waiting gives you the added benefit of a higher guaranteed income that is at the same time indexed to inflation.
DeleteKevinCollecting SSI in the US at 65 will average net. Today’s collection is about $2100 + - per month. We also have a cola % for inflation if necessary. Keep in mind not all of us have a partner that is going to collect retirement. Some of us are single also There are different medical plans you can choose from that cost anywhere from $200 to zero the perks are not that much difference I can live in Southeast Asia easily for $1500 in bank the rest. Some experts live with considerably with more than that that’s their life preference however As you’re aware medical in foreign countries is 3 times less of what you pay in the US .. and it’s just a matter of budgeting for that what if situation.. now some immigration countries now require medical coverage for ex-pats living in that country… living in Mexico as you do when you’re there, you’re well aware of the price difference and the cost of living compared to your basic home country. In some cases. It’s almost a no-brainer.
ReplyDeleteYes, I would agree with you. In same cases, it's almost a no brainer.
DeleteWhat we get for inflation they take right back out, the same amount, for medicare. If it kept up with the actual inflation, we'd be getting more. Don't forget, they say it will be gone soon because of all the "immigrants" that are feeding off a system that they had no investment in. As a widow, I collect my husband's. Put it off for 16 years, but decided to start collecting when he would've turned 65. Better get it before it's all gone is my thinking. Why should I struggle and use savings when they are getting EVERYTHING FOR FREE!!!
ReplyDeleteIt will never be "gone", although if they don't do something about it, it will need to be reduced by about 17% come 2034. I would suggest that the immigrants aren't the problem, because the illegal ones can't collect, and the legal ones have actually been paying into it.
DeleteTwo anonymous I hate it when people Post stuff they have no knowledge of. Without actual proof. Immigrants can get Social Security benefits only if they are legally authorized to live and work in the United States and have paid into the system through payroll taxes. They must meet the same work credit rules as U.S. citizens. Undocumented immigrants cannot receive Social Security.Legal Status and Work RequirementsLawfully Present: Must hold a valid green card (permanent residency) or an approved temporary work visa.Work History: Must earn enough work credits (usually 10 years or 40 quarters of covered work) to qualify for retirement.Taxes Paid: Must have worked legally using a valid Social Security number issued by the Social Security Administration.Undocumented ImmigrantsNo Benefits: People living in the U.S. without legal status cannot collect Social Security retirement, disability, or survivor benefits.Taxes: Even if an undocumented worker pays taxes using an individual taxpayer identification number (ITIN) or a mismatched number, they do not build eligibility to claim benefits later
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DeleteWhen the buyout to retire was offered, the Union recommended the early option. The reason was people working in that kind of environment and especially my trade, only lived 4.5 years after retiring. The health care system helped me celebrate 16.25 years of freedom.
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It's about time.
I retired the minute I was able to retire in 2008. At first it was hard to settle into retirement so I took on two temporary jobs 5 years and 3 years. Then, I really retired and enjoyed it since. For years, I tried to convince my younger sister to retire and enjoy her life but she refused. Finally, she decided to retire and was retired one year when she passed away...never really enjoyed her retirement. I live comfortably on my income and occasionally do volunteer work to keep me in the loop. I say kudos to folks to folks who retire and enjoy it while still healthy to really enjoy retirement.
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